TSTC Discussion

[PFCJoker]

*edit* Makes no sense now that it has been moved, so never mind *edit*


Thank You

[Miss Jilly]

I'm relatively new to FWDA, but here's my input anyway:

I think the FWDA should be more clear as to whether they are THE sponsor of a team or teams, or just ONE OF the sponsors. To me when I hear the term WE SPONSOR this this team to go somewhere, that means ALL fees are paid, including hotel and other travel. If FWDA is not willing to do this, that's certainly their call, but the LEVEL of sponsorship needs to be more clearly stated......that they are simply ONE OF the sponsors. And being just ONE OF the sponsors should mean they do not have COMPLETE control over the team.

[SciFi65]

You hit the nail right on the head. From what I see, the FWDA paid the entry fee to the event, but the actual players got sponsors and had events like "Benefit Tournies" etc. to pay for rooms, grub, drinks, whatever. I believe even the sponsors/events paid for shirts as well...? Someone who went please clarify this :)

[cjmtexas]

FWDA did not pay for the full entry fee this year. They only donated up to 200 dollars and 5.00 a shirt. The up to 200.00 was based on how much was not covered after the tryout money was recieved. If there had been more money from the tryouts then FWDA would have not donated 200.00, if that makes sense.

[curly]

My Thought's About Tstc Is This. If The Fwda Is Going To Hold Try-outs, Then They Need To Take Responsibility On Getting The Team There. All Expencies Paid. Afterall When Something Goes Wrong Or People That Tried Out Get Upset About How The Team Functions, They Run To The Fwda. I Have Noticed The Fwda States This Is Our Team, However There Is In Many Cases, Sponsors Who Donate More Money To The Cause Of Getting The Team There. If The Fwda Is Going To Come Up With Guidlines For Tstc They Need To Get The Other Sponsors Involved, If Not Then The Fwda Needs To Drop There Bid As Saying They Are Sending A Team To Tstc And Leave It Up To The Real Sponsors Of Tstc Team. KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO WANT TO DO AWAY WITH SPONSORING THE TSTC TEAM.

[bret23]

Well said Rick you took the words right out of my mouth.

Bret

[SciFi65]

I must say, I'm with Rick on that as well. However, Rick, we would appreciate you at least glancing through your "Hooked on Phonics" CD before typing another post bro. Don't worry, you're still on my "Christmas Shoplifting List".

[pelligrini]

KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WHO WANT TO DO AWAY WITH SPONSORING THE TSTC TEAM.
I am one of the members of the board that would love to do away with sponsoring a FWDA TSTC team. We've got 250 or so members in this association. I still have a hard time spending everyone's money for 11 individuals on a 'for profit' tournament. The $450 entry fee checks are made out to a person, Chuck. It's also been pointed out before; the teams are there to win, win prize money. Sponsoring a TSTC team is no different than spending our money to send someone to another money tournament. We spent over $1000 last year for 2 teams. That works out to $4 coming from each and every FWDA member to send 22 people to a money tournament. If you were in a bar and someone came up and asked "can I have $4 so me and my buddies can go to a tournament?" what would your answer be? I know what mine is. It's just not the money either, there's a whole lot of BS politics that I would rather not have to deal with.

At the last CPB meeting, we had a lengthy debate over spending $50 in order to preserve the history of the FWDA. We need to examine our priorities.

The FWDA set up and organized tryout events. An entry fee was collected for the purpose of offsetting the tournament entry fee. In the past, Krista on behalf of the FWDA, has also procured additional sponsors for our teams. She got fed up with it this time and let the FWDA members of the TSTC team procure funds, in the name of the FWDA. The FWDA didn't foot the bill directly out of our members’ dues, but it was taken care by the members of the FWDA and with the gracious help of the businesses and people who donated to the cause. The FWDA did take responsibility.

Many of our members like this event, that’s great. I don’t think our membership would mind spending a little bit of money on it. I do think they would have a problem spending thousands. (Which has been done in the past).

[PFCJoker]

I Like To Start Every Word With A Capital Letter Too Rick So Don't Feel Bad Eh.

[Glenn]

First i to am on the board and think this sould be stopped and the money not spent for this event due to lots of conflicts and the fact as so many have said they dont pay the whole thing so it is not a true sponsored team. But on the other hand if it was not for the fwda having this so called sponsor team and holding the try out and getting the whole thing started and taking responsiability for as much as they do and have krista and others involved the team would not have existed in the first place and all or some of the players on that team would not have gone to tstc or had the experiance. So think about everything involved before talking smack about something you personally did not do anything to help with. Glenn lol now i sound like the ass who cares.

[cjmtexas]

That's okay Glenn we always knew you cared!!!!! LOL

[curly]

For one I'm not talking smack. I have been on an FWDA team in the past, and it has always been the same argument from someone about who is responsible for the team. All I'm saying is this. I understand Erik and agree with him about it being a money payout at the end. But if the FWDA is claiming that is there team, then the board needs to come up with guidlines, and since the team is representing the FWDA in a major state wide tournament, then they need to take responsibility for the team 100%. If the FWDA is all about supporting there team,I have a real good feeling that no member will have a problem fitting the bill regardless of the outcome. I for one would support them wholeheartedly if the right guidlines were in place. Keep in mind, I have nothing against Krista and yes she has done an outstanding job. But the FWDA has had a team long before Krista started running the try-outs for tstc. I for one want to see the FWDA represented by the best and will do anything to help make it happen.

[silentwolf]

Something is worng here i belive she ask for suggestions for guidlines.I dont think i remmber seeing anything about can yall give me your complants.
Oh heck i forgot i am on the FWDA web site.

[curly]

I'm not complaining about Krista or anything about her. My only problem is that this argument has been going on for years. If I remember correctly since the late 90's. It has taking this issue about the team this year for it to actually come to light. I will do anything to help Jeannine with this.

[SciFi65]

There has been some really serious tensions released on the site lately. We're starting to sound like a bunch of Democrats and Republicans going at it. Let's not point fingers or drop names and let's get together and fix this stuff. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I know, but let's work it all out and move along.

Don't make me post a naked picture of Robert Putscher on this board....I'll do it dammit. Ya'll try me.

[pelligrini]

Something is worng here i belive she ask for suggestions for guidlines.I dont think i remmber seeing anything about can yall give me your complants.
Oh heck i forgot i am on the FWDA web site.
Good point, I have split off this discussion from the guidelines thread.

[dblejay]

M y question is when try out for a team isn't it a tryout not a i paid so therefore im on the team. When you try out for a high school team you don't automatically get on the team that is why you have TRYOUTS. Ultimately isnt it who ever is running the TRYOUTS decision on who makes the team? just food for thought.

[Natalie Lowe]

Food for thought or an FYI...
Through the late 90's the FWDA participated by selecting a handpicked team. If there were more interest, which there usually was; the persons not selected on the "Handpicked" team were placed on a team and we paid the entry fees for both.

When Don took over in 2000, we all agreed, as a board, that it really wasn't fair to choose. That was a "Popularity Contest". We came up with the tryout format. We also added the $10 per player, to help offset the expense to the FWDA. We also solicited sponsor money from our FWDA bars, local businesses, and our employers. Funds were solicited for the team expenses, but done in the name of a tax right off for advertisement on the shirts. The bigger the donation, the bigger the name was on the shirt, and there was a minimum donation to even have the establishment's name printed on the shirt. All funds were combined to cover the hotel, food, & gas to the event. Everyone bunked together and shared the minimum number of rooms needed.

Since 03/04 Krista took on this task of overseeing the whole TSTC experience, She handled the tryouts, she sought sponsorships, and she organized all the details for shirts, rooms, players, & anything and all related to TSTC! Last year, Krista played on a private team and just oversaw all of the FWDA team details. This year she did the same. But as we all know, people burn out, people have lives outside of the FWDA, and it became a huge chunk of her time. Therefore, she passed the responsibility on to the teams themselves to find there own donations, etc.

Because the TSTC has changed over the years from the original idea of Associations in TEXAS competing for the BEST of The BEST, but encouraged Texas players to compete when the number of entries from Associations reached an all time low.

The FWDA membership has always shown an interest in competing in this event. The entry fees were raised last year from $350 to $450, the money collected did not match the payouts. It drew a huge concern from myself. I started digging, only to find out that the TSTC tourney Host was given $1000 to host the event. A first in all the years of the TSTC existence.

Typically, every year, in writing, the Associations submitted a letter to host the next event. It usually alternated between Houston, Arlington, Austin, and Corpus. The time before last held in Arlington, Karyl and I requested to the TSTC that the FWDA and MDA would host together. At that time, it was our responsibility to book the venue, which was La Quinta, at no cost with an alcohol quota, the boards were that years used North Texas boards, and both MDA & FWDA contributed $$ to the bilind draws, and were responsible jointly.

We have alot of players that ejnoy the TSTC, 8 years ago we had hoped to improve and make it fair. We can certainly see by this years turn of events that we need to take it a step farther and set some guidelines.

I was one that wanted to see TSTC from an Association expense to be done away with. I was upset about the huge expense from our FWDA bank account and that the payouts did not balance the entry fees. I am still not sure of the necessity of the $1000 to be doled out to the host venue. It seems to have turned into a profit maker for Chuck. I certainly have opinions on makiing a profit from our "NON Profit Organizations". I don't agree!

And please remember that when our FWDA bars and establishments are submitting sponsorship money, they are doing it in the name of the FWDA. A private team does it without the FWDA name and clarified that it is being donated for this specific group of private players. Ie...Odwyers Pub sponsored us one year, Black Gold sponsored their own team, Volcanos, etc...And for the most part, we also had additional sponsors listed on our shirts to help with all of the costs.

Just a thought to share how the FWDA evolved into the tryout team. And one more thing, the FWDA has never completely solely sponsored a team. We have always gotten outside help from our FWDA members & Pubs.

[Neaners]

Brian....No need to put up a naked pictures of Robert....Please save us all from that! LOL

I am so very glad that everyone has put in some kind of input about these guidelines. But as of today I have received NO emails and one phone call. Thank you Rick for calling and saying you would be more than happy to help me with these guidelines.

This has become a huge bitch session (which was not what I was asking for) and nothing has really come from any of these posts about sitting down and discussing what the FWDA should do.

When I was asking for suggestions, opinions, and concerns I meant that we need to get together and put some guidelines together since FWDA puts together the tryouts and a chunk of money into this event. As one of the board members, I believe strongly its time for some structure. Meaning, if we are going to hold tryouts then yes there needs to be some rules set in place on when and if players that TRIED OUT can't make it. Along with sportsmanship and behavior....Yall now that should be a given. I mean come on here.... You don't need another mother. Its very simple as any sponsor would want...to be represented in a positive way. I think we can all agree on that.

This is really getting out of hand once again....All I'm trying to do is help so the FWDA team does not have to continue with this any longer. We go by the guidelines period!

So once again, if you would like to send me your suggestions, opinions, or concerns, or would like to get together with Rick Eskew and I please email me or call me. We don't have much time here people. If you haven't noticed...I'm about to pop! LOL

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